Entering a turn too fast - Revision history

Bokonon at 09:28, 21 November 2009

2009-11-21T09:28:08Z

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	*Exaggerate your [[Looking through the curve\|look through the corner]].		*Exaggerate your [[Looking through the curve\|look through the corner]].
	*Move your upper body to the inside of the corner. This increases ground clearance, protects your confidence because it makes sharp cornering feel more natural, and makes it more difficult for your eyes to look where they shouldn't be looking.		*[[Shifting body weight for a turn\|Move your upper body]] to the inside of the corner. This increases ground clearance, protects your confidence because it makes sharp cornering feel more natural, and makes it more difficult for your eyes to look where they shouldn't be looking.
	*Push down on the inside bar ([[Countersteering\|countersteer]]).		*Push down on the inside bar ([[Countersteering\|countersteer]]).
	*Accelerate ''slightly'' through the turn. This is to balance the bike, not to speed up. Don’t grab a handful of throttle; just use slightly more than constant throttle. And don't do the opposite: Letting off the throttle will upset the bike’s suspension nearly as much as using the brakes. It overloads the front suspension and means more risk of a lowside.		*Accelerate ''slightly'' through the turn. This is to balance the bike, not to speed up. Don’t grab a handful of throttle; just use slightly more than constant throttle. And don't do the opposite: Letting off the throttle will upset the bike’s suspension nearly as much as using the brakes. It overloads the front suspension and means more risk of a lowside.

Bokonon: /* Reprogram your brain */

2009-11-11T11:46:02Z

Reprogram your brain

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	All of the tips listed here are actually part of normal cornering technique. Practice them and make them part of your normal riding.		All of the tips listed here are actually part of normal cornering technique. Practice them and make them part of your normal riding.

	For more advice, see [[~~Cornering on~~ a motorcycle]].		For more advice, see [[Turning a motorcycle]].

Bokonon: /* What you should do */

2009-11-10T03:15:47Z

What you should do

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	*Exaggerate your [[Looking through the curve\|look through the corner]].		*Exaggerate your [[Looking through the curve\|look through the corner]].
	*Move your upper body to the inside of the corner. This increases ground clearance, protects your confidence because it makes sharp cornering feel more natural, and makes it more difficult for your eyes to look where they shouldn't be looking.		*Move your upper body to the inside of the corner. This increases ground clearance, protects your confidence because it makes sharp cornering feel more natural, and makes it more difficult for your eyes to look where they shouldn't be looking.
	*Push down on the inside bar ([[Countersteering 2\|countersteer]]).		*Push down on the inside bar ([[Countersteering\|countersteer]]).
	*Accelerate ''slightly'' through the turn. This is to balance the bike, not to speed up. Don’t grab a handful of throttle; just use slightly more than constant throttle. And don't do the opposite: Letting off the throttle will upset the bike’s suspension nearly as much as using the brakes. It overloads the front suspension and means more risk of a lowside.		*Accelerate ''slightly'' through the turn. This is to balance the bike, not to speed up. Don’t grab a handful of throttle; just use slightly more than constant throttle. And don't do the opposite: Letting off the throttle will upset the bike’s suspension nearly as much as using the brakes. It overloads the front suspension and means more risk of a lowside.
	*Turn		*Turn

Bokonon at 02:53, 10 November 2009

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	The first thing many inexperienced riders do when going into a corner too hot is do everything wrong. Chopping the throttle and hitting the brakes is bad, bad, bad. It will put more of the bike's weight over the front wheel, which causes the bike to become less stable.		The first thing many inexperienced riders do when going into a corner too hot is do everything wrong. Chopping the throttle and hitting the brakes is bad, bad, bad. It will put more of the bike's weight over the front wheel, which causes the bike to become less stable.

	Braking mid-corner is ~~not an~~ option. It will only upset the suspension by throwing weight forward. When you are coming in too fast, hitting the brakes will also cause you to focus on the edge of the road, which is coming up fast and straight in front of you. While you try to stop or slow the bike, you’ll just end up focusing more and more on the edge of the road. It is too late at this point, and as soon as the front tire goes off the road, the bike washes out and you fly off it.		Braking mid-corner is nearly always a bad option. It will only upset the suspension by throwing weight forward. When you are coming in too fast, hitting the brakes will also cause you to focus on the edge of the road, which is coming up fast and straight in front of you. While you try to stop or slow the bike, you’ll just end up focusing more and more on the edge of the road. It is too late at this point, and as soon as the front tire goes off the road, the bike washes out and you fly off it.

	====What you should do====		====What you should do====

Bokonon: /* What you should do */

2009-11-10T02:48:31Z

What you should do

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	*Exaggerate your [[Looking through the curve\|look through the corner]].		*Exaggerate your [[Looking through the curve\|look through the corner]].
	*Move your upper body to the inside of the corner. This increases ground clearance, protects your confidence because it makes sharp cornering feel more natural, and makes it more difficult for your eyes to look where they shouldn't be looking.		*Move your upper body to the inside of the corner. This increases ground clearance, protects your confidence because it makes sharp cornering feel more natural, and makes it more difficult for your eyes to look where they shouldn't be looking.
	*Push down on the inside bar ([[countersteer]])		*Push down on the inside bar ([[Countersteering 2\|countersteer]]).
	*Accelerate ''slightly'' through the turn. This is to balance the bike, not to speed up. Don’t grab a handful of throttle; just use slightly more than constant throttle. And don't do the opposite: Letting off the throttle will upset the bike’s suspension nearly as much as using the brakes. It overloads the front suspension and means more risk of a lowside.		*Accelerate ''slightly'' through the turn. This is to balance the bike, not to speed up. Don’t grab a handful of throttle; just use slightly more than constant throttle. And don't do the opposite: Letting off the throttle will upset the bike’s suspension nearly as much as using the brakes. It overloads the front suspension and means more risk of a lowside.
	*Turn		*Turn

	You will either make the corner this way or lowside. Those are the two best outcomes.		You will either make the corner this way or lowside. Those are the two best outcomes.

	====Steps to memorize====		====Steps to memorize====

Bokonon at 02:43, 10 November 2009

2009-11-10T02:43:02Z

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	[[Category:New Riders]]		[[Category:New Riders]]
	[[Category:Riding Techniques]]		[[Category:Riding Techniques]]
	The ~~first~~ thing ~~many inexperienced riders do when going into~~ a corner ~~too hot~~ is ~~to do everything wrong~~. ~~Chopping~~ the ~~throttle and hitting the brakes will cause~~ the bike ~~to become less stable and will put more of~~ the bike~~'s weight over~~ the ~~front wheel, which is not what you want to have happen~~. ~~In general, you should not brake, downshift or ease up on the throttle unless something unusual happens and you~~ have to do that ~~to avoid a greater problem, such~~ as ~~falling or running off the road~~.		__TOC__
			The major thing you have to fear in the middle of a corner is fear itself. Unless you didn’t slow for the corner at all, then you're not going too fast for the bike. There is every chance that the bike can make the turn. You just have to accept that as fact and then make it happen.

	~~Here~~ are ~~some things~~ to ~~do when trying to recover:~~		The trouble comes with ''your perception'' of how fast you’re going. Chances are, you haven’t tested yourself or your bike at this speed yet. The key is to '''look into the corner and ride it out'''. The worst case is that you'll [[Biker Speak\|lowside]], and really, if you were going that fast in the first place, a lowside is the best option.

	~~1) Use~~ the ~~rear brake~~ to ~~tighten up~~ the ~~line a little bit~~. ~~Sometimes it feels like~~ the ~~right thing~~ to do, ~~but~~ the ~~real racer guys say~~ this ~~is not~~ the ~~answer because if~~ the ~~rear wheel breaks loose~~ the ~~rear end will go wide~~ and ~~cause~~ you ~~to crash (usually a highside)~~.		The first thing many inexperienced riders do when going into a corner too hot is do everything wrong. Chopping the throttle and hitting the brakes is bad, bad, bad. It will put more of the bike's weight over the front wheel, which causes the bike to become less stable.

			Braking mid-corner is not an option. It will only upset the suspension by throwing weight forward. When you are coming in too fast, hitting the brakes will also cause you to focus on the edge of the road, which is coming up fast and straight in front of you. While you try to stop or slow the bike, you’ll just end up focusing more and more on the edge of the road. It is too late at this point, and as soon as the front tire goes off the road, the bike washes out and you fly off it.

	~~2) Reduce throttle and use both brakes to slow slightly, realizing that most of the traction is being used for turning. It will slow~~ you ~~down, but uses additional traction.~~		====What you should do====

	~~3) Lean~~ to the inside and ~~continue~~ to ~~apply~~ the ~~throttle~~. ~~Leaning in will cause~~ the bike to ~~straighten~~ up~~, giving~~ more ~~ground clearance so hard parts~~ don't ~~scrape~~. It ~~takes lots~~ of ~~courage to go faster when your brain already says you're going too fast, but often it's the right thing to do~~.		*Exaggerate your [[Looking through the curve\|look through the corner]].
			*Move your upper body to the inside of the corner. This increases ground clearance, protects your confidence because it makes sharp cornering feel more natural, and makes it more difficult for your eyes to look where they shouldn't be looking.
			*Push down on the inside bar ([[countersteer]])
			*Accelerate ''slightly'' through the turn. This is to balance the bike, not to speed up. Don’t grab a handful of throttle; just use slightly more than constant throttle. And don't do the opposite: Letting off the throttle will upset the bike’s suspension nearly as much as using the brakes. It overloads the front suspension and means more risk of a lowside.
			*Turn

	~~4) Straighten up, brake in a straight line to scrub off speed, then release~~ the ~~brakes and turn in tighter~~. ~~Requires some room to run wider than you're already going~~.		You will either make the corner this way or lowside. Those are the two best outcomes.

	~~The right answer is different in different situations, but the key point is that these techniques should be practiced before you have~~ to ~~use them in traffic.~~		====Steps to memorize====

	~~Keith Code's book '''[http://www.amazon.com/Twist-Wrist-Basics-High-Performance-Motorcycle/dp/0965045021/ref~~=~~pd_bbs_sr_1?ie~~=~~UTF8&s~~=~~books&qid~~=~~1199015180&sr~~=~~8-1 A Twist~~ of the ~~Wrist 2]''' spends about 1/3 of~~ the ~~book covering this question~~. ~~He tends~~ to go ~~with #3 above~~. ~~In short, staying on~~ the ~~throttle, accelerating slightly through the turn~~, and ~~leaning more~~ will ~~help you get through~~ the ~~corner~~. ~~Backing off~~ the ~~throttle makes the bike do everything wrong~~.		*Look through the corner
			*Move and lean your body to the inside
			*Push down on the inside bar
			*Accelerate just a bit
			*Turn

			====Reprogram your brain====

			The hardest part of all this is to order your brain to refocus on the arc you must take to make the corner. You must really force yourself to look at and follow your path through. The second hardest is forcing yourself to not do the panic braking you so badly want to do. You have to order yourself to let go of both brakes.

			To simplify: Just look and try. Very likely the bike will make it, and very likely you will learn a lesson - either that or go splat the next time.

			All of the tips listed here are actually part of normal cornering technique. Practice them and make them part of your normal riding.

			For more advice, see [[Cornering on a motorcycle]].

Bokonon at 03:11, 9 November 2009

2009-11-09T03:11:00Z

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	The right answer is different in different situations, but the key point is that these techniques should be practiced before you have to use them in traffic.		The right answer is different in different situations, but the key point is that these techniques should be practiced before you have to use them in traffic.

	Keith Code's book '''[http://www.amazon.com/Twist-Wrist-Basics-High-Performance-Motorcycle/dp/0965045021/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1199015180&sr=8-1 A Twist of the Wrist 2]''' spends about 1/3 of the book covering this question. He tends to go with #3 above. In short, staying on the throttle ~~(you don't have to accelerate)~~ and leaning more will help you get through the corner. Backing off the throttle makes the bike do everything wrong~~. Read the book. It has saved many riders from crashes~~.		Keith Code's book '''[http://www.amazon.com/Twist-Wrist-Basics-High-Performance-Motorcycle/dp/0965045021/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1199015180&sr=8-1 A Twist of the Wrist 2]''' spends about 1/3 of the book covering this question. He tends to go with #3 above. In short, staying on the throttle, accelerating slightly through the turn, and leaning more will help you get through the corner. Backing off the throttle makes the bike do everything wrong.

Bokonon at 21:26, 19 August 2009

2009-08-19T21:26:51Z

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	The first thing many inexperienced riders do when going into a corner too hot is to do everything wrong. Chopping the throttle and hitting the brakes will cause the bike to become less stable, and will put more of the bike's weight over the front wheel, which is not what you want to have happen. In general, ~~one~~ should not brake, downshift or ease up on the throttle unless something unusual happens and ~~one must~~ do that to avoid a greater problem, such as falling or running off the road.		The first thing many inexperienced riders do when going into a corner too hot is to do everything wrong. Chopping the throttle and hitting the brakes will cause the bike to become less stable and will put more of the bike's weight over the front wheel, which is not what you want to have happen. In general, you should not brake, downshift or ease up on the throttle unless something unusual happens and you have to do that to avoid a greater problem, such as falling or running off the road.

	Here are some things to do when trying to recover:		Here are some things to do when trying to recover:
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	4) Straighten up, brake in a straight line to scrub off speed, then release the brakes and turn in tighter. Requires some room to run wider than you're already going.		4) Straighten up, brake in a straight line to scrub off speed, then release the brakes and turn in tighter. Requires some room to run wider than you're already going.

	The right answer is different in different situations, but the key point is that these techniques should be practiced before you have to use them in traffic.		The right answer is different in different situations, but the key point is that these techniques should be practiced before you have to use them in traffic.

	Keith Code's book '''[http://www.amazon.com/Twist-Wrist-Basics-High-Performance-Motorcycle/dp/0965045021/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1199015180&sr=8-1 A Twist of the Wrist 2]''' spends about 1/3 of the book covering this question. He tends to go with #3 above. In short, staying on the throttle ( you don't have to accelerate) and leaning more will help you get through the corner. Backing off the throttle makes the bike do everything wrong. Read the book. It has saved many riders from crashes.		Keith Code's book '''[http://www.amazon.com/Twist-Wrist-Basics-High-Performance-Motorcycle/dp/0965045021/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1199015180&sr=8-1 A Twist of the Wrist 2]''' spends about 1/3 of the book covering this question. He tends to go with #3 above. In short, staying on the throttle (you don't have to accelerate) and leaning more will help you get through the corner. Backing off the throttle makes the bike do everything wrong. Read the book. It has saved many riders from crashes.

Bokonon at 14:14, 30 December 2007

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	~~There are~~ a ~~lot~~ of ~~things~~ to do ~~when trying~~ to ~~recover:~~		The first thing many inexperienced riders do when going into a corner too hot is to do everything wrong. Chopping the throttle and hitting the brakes will cause the bike to become less stable, and will put more of the bike's weight over the front wheel, which is not what you want to have happen. In general, one should not brake, downshift or ease up on the throttle unless something unusual happens and one must do that to avoid a greater problem, such as falling or running off the road.

	1) Use the rear brake to tighten up the line a little bit. It feels right to me, but the real racer guys say this is not the answer because if the rear wheel breaks loose the rear end will go wide and cause you to crash.		Here are some things to do when trying to recover:

			1) Use the rear brake to tighten up the line a little bit. Sometimes it feels like the right thing to do, but the real racer guys say this is not the answer because if the rear wheel breaks loose the rear end will go wide and cause you to crash (usually a highside).

	2) Reduce throttle and use both brakes to slow slightly, realizing that most of the traction is being used for turning. It will slow you down, but uses additional traction.		2) Reduce throttle and use both brakes to slow slightly, realizing that most of the traction is being used for turning. It will slow you down, but uses additional traction.
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	4) Straighten up, brake in a straight line to scrub off speed, then release the brakes and turn in tighter. Requires some room to run wider than you're already going.		4) Straighten up, brake in a straight line to scrub off speed, then release the brakes and turn in tighter. Requires some room to run wider than you're already going.

	~~I don't know the~~ right answer, but ~~it looks to me like practice~~ should be ~~done~~ before you have to ~~do it~~ in traffic. ~~I've used all of the above at different times and under different conditions.~~		The right answer is different in different situations, but the key point is that these techniques should be practiced before you have to use them in traffic.

	Keith Code's book '''A Twist of the Wrist 2''' spends about 1/3 of the book covering this question. He tends to go with #3 above. In short, staying on the throttle ( you don't have to accelerate) and leaning more will help you get through the corner. Backing off the throttle makes the bike do everything wrong. Read the book. It has saved many riders from crashes.		Keith Code's book '''[http://www.amazon.com/Twist-Wrist-Basics-High-Performance-Motorcycle/dp/0965045021/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1199015180&sr=8-1 A Twist of the Wrist 2]''' spends about 1/3 of the book covering this question. He tends to go with #3 above. In short, staying on the throttle ( you don't have to accelerate) and leaning more will help you get through the corner. Backing off the throttle makes the bike do everything wrong. Read the book. It has saved many riders from crashes.

Bokonon at 06:35, 8 April 2007

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	There are a lot of things to do when trying to recover:		There are a lot of things to do when trying to recover:

	1) Use the rear brake to tighten up the line a little bit. It feels right to me, but the real racer guys say this is not the answer because if the rear wheel breaks loose the rear end will go wide and cause you to crash.		1) Use the rear brake to tighten up the line a little bit. It feels right to me, but the real racer guys say this is not the answer because if the rear wheel breaks loose the rear end will go wide and cause you to crash.

	2) Reduce throttle and use both brakes to slow slightly realizing that most of the traction is being used for turning. It will slow you down, but uses additional traction.		2) Reduce throttle and use both brakes to slow slightly, realizing that most of the traction is being used for turning. It will slow you down, but uses additional traction.

	3) Lean to the inside and continue to apply the throttle. Leaning in will cause the bike to straighten up, giving more ground clearance so hard parts don't scrape. It takes lots of courage to go faster when your brain already says you're going too fast.		3) Lean to the inside and continue to apply the throttle. Leaning in will cause the bike to straighten up, giving more ground clearance so hard parts don't scrape. It takes lots of courage to go faster when your brain already says you're going too fast, but often it's the right thing to do.

	4) Straighten up, brake in a straight line to scrub off speed, then release the brakes and turn in tighter. Requires some room to run wider than you're already going.		4) Straighten up, brake in a straight line to scrub off speed, then release the brakes and turn in tighter. Requires some room to run wider than you're already going.