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Bokonon: /* A word of caution */

2009-08-23T08:57:16Z

A word of caution

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	The tabs for the bungee hooks are welded, pretty wimpily, onto the frame. You ~~should~~ ''really'' want to reinforce that area before venturing far from home. Your local welding shop should be able to do this relatively easily. Just pull the bags, fender, tail fairing, tail lights, turn signals, etc... off the back of the bike and have them throw on a 3/16" steel plate or something to reinforce that. Shoot it with black rust paint to make it match.		The tabs for the bungee hooks are welded, pretty wimpily, onto the frame. You ''really'' want to reinforce that area before venturing far from home. Your local welding shop should be able to do this relatively easily. Just pull the bags, fender, tail fairing, tail lights, turn signals, etc... off the back of the bike and have them throw on a 3/16" steel plate or something to reinforce that. Shoot it with black rust paint to make it match.

Bokonon: /* An inexpensive hard bags setup */

2009-08-18T05:49:25Z

An inexpensive hard bags setup

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	===An inexpensive hard bags setup===		===An inexpensive hard bags setup===

	A set of GIVI side cases for most bikes runs about $800. This is an alternative that fits within the usual EX250 budget. JC Whitney carries universal mount [http://www.jcwhitney.com/Motorcycle-Trunks/600014603.jcw top cases]. Top cases are the cases that sit behind the passenger, either with a bracket or attached to a luggage rack. What was really wanted were side cases (like hard saddlebags) figuring that one could store more in two medium-sized side cases than one large top case.		A set of GIVI side cases for most bikes runs about $800. This is not an alternative that fits within the usual EX250 budget. JC Whitney carries universal mount [http://www.jcwhitney.com/Motorcycle-Trunks/600014603.jcw top cases]. Top cases are the cases that sit behind the passenger, either with a bracket or attached to a luggage rack. What was really wanted were side cases (like hard saddlebags) figuring that one could store more in two medium-sized side cases than one large top case.

	Measure the space you have to work with before you buy your cases. These are the 'medium' ones, but sizes can change depending on the supplier.		Measure the space you have to work with before you buy your cases. These are the 'medium' ones, but sizes can change depending on the supplier.

Bokonon at 17:13, 12 July 2008

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 [[Category:Luggage & Touring]]
 Unfortunately, there are very few EX250-specific hard luggage options available.  Most of them require making your own parts.  Below are a few examples of homebrew hard luggage systems.
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 You can acquire a ready-made [[Ventura rack|Ventura rack]] and install a [http://www.jcwhitney.com/autoparts/Browse/tf-Browse/s-10101/N-111+10211+600014603/c-10111 JC Whitney] or [http://www.giviusa.com/caschi_borse_bauli_accessori.asp?lang=en Givi trunk].  This system is very simple to install, and there is no need to make your own parts.  Picture taken from [http://www.ninja250.org/Troy Troy's profile].
-[[Image:troy_givi01.jpg|300px]]
+[[Image:troy_givi01.jpg|200px]]
 '''Example 2:''' Passenger seat self-made hard case [http://www.theyeagergroup.com/Tail_Trunk_Saddle_Project.htm system].  Courtesy of [http://www.ninja250.org/emdsd emdsd].
-[[Image:emdsd_givi01.jpg|300px]]
+[[Image:emdsd_givi01.jpg|200px]]
 '''Example 3:''' Two Givi Hard sidecases permanently mounted to the bike.  Courtesy of [http://www.ninja250.org/quixotic quixotic]
-[[Image:quixotic_givi01.jpg|300px]]
+[[Image:quixotic_givi01.jpg|200px]]
 Quixotic manufactured a rectangular sub-frame out of aluminum square stock and bolted the boxes to it.  Detailed instructions can be found [http://www3.telus.net/awareness/saddlebag.htm here].
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 This setup features a DIY rack.  Courtesy of viajero (no profile)
-[[Image:viajero_givi01.jpg|300px]]   [[Image:viajero_givi02.jpg|300px]]
+[[Image:viajero_givi01.jpg|200px]]   [[Image:viajero_givi02.jpg|200px]]
 Details: 3/4" copper pipe (type L, thick wall) with 3/4" wood dowel running the length of the pipe and as far into the elbows as possible. This should add a lot of strength and crush resistance. Joints are glued with JB Weld. There are two copper rivets in each joint for added strength. All holes have a dab of silicone as well to seal the pipe.  Because of the wood inside, it is advisable to waterproof the joints. A particular challenge was drilling the mounting holes to match the angle of the holes for those bungee hooks.  Those holes are also filled with silicone at the final mounting.
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 '''Example 5:''' Another homemade rack + three Givi Hard cases
-[[Image:tz_givi01.jpg|300px]]   [[Image:tz_givi02.jpg|300px]]
+[[Image:tz_givi01.jpg|200px]]   [[Image:tz_givi02.jpg|200px]]
 This setup uses passenger footpegs and the grab bar as rack mount points.

Bokonon at 04:38, 24 May 2008

2008-05-24T04:38:44Z

Bokonon at 16:49, 15 November 2007

2007-11-15T16:49:40Z

TZ at 18:03, 20 December 2006

2006-12-20T18:03:35Z

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	You can acquire a ready-made Ventura or JebRack and install a [http://www.jcwhitney.com/autoparts/Browse/tf-Browse/s-10101/N-111+10211+600014603/c-10111 JC Whitney] or a [http://www.giviusa.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=products&id=126&cat=monokeycases&catid=24&prodid=maxiae50 Givi] trunk. This system is very simple to install and there is no need to make your own parts. Picture taken from [http://www.ninja250.org/Troy Troy's profile].		You can acquire a ready-made Ventura or JebRack and install a [http://www.jcwhitney.com/autoparts/Browse/tf-Browse/s-10101/N-111+10211+600014603/c-10111 JC Whitney] or a [http://www.giviusa.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=products&id=126&cat=monokeycases&catid=24&prodid=maxiae50 Givi] trunk. This system is very simple to install and there is no need to make your own parts. Picture taken from [http://www.ninja250.org/Troy Troy's profile].

	[[Image:troy_givi01.jpg]]		[[Image:troy_givi01.jpg\|300px]]


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	'''Example 2:''' passenger seat self-made hard case [http://www.theyeagergroup.com/Tail_Trunk_Saddle_Project.htm system]. Courtesy of [http://www.ninja250.org/emdsd emdsd].		'''Example 2:''' passenger seat self-made hard case [http://www.theyeagergroup.com/Tail_Trunk_Saddle_Project.htm system]. Courtesy of [http://www.ninja250.org/emdsd emdsd].

	[[Image:emdsd_givi01.jpg]]		[[Image:emdsd_givi01.jpg\|300px]]


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	[[Image:quixotic_givi01.jpg]]		[[Image:quixotic_givi01.jpg\|300px]]

	Quixotic manufactured a rectangular sub-frame out of aluminum square stock, and bolted the boxes to it. Detailed instructions can be found [http://www3.telus.net/awareness/saddlebag.htm here].		Quixotic manufactured a rectangular sub-frame out of aluminum square stock, and bolted the boxes to it. Detailed instructions can be found [http://www3.telus.net/awareness/saddlebag.htm here].
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	This setup features a DIY rack. Courtesy of viajero (no profile yet)		This setup features a DIY rack. Courtesy of viajero (no profile yet)

	[[Image:viajero_givi01.jpg]]		[[Image:viajero_givi01.jpg\|300px]] [[Image:viajero_givi02.jpg\|300px]]

	[[Image:viajero_givi02.jpg]]

	Details: 3/4" copper pipe (type L, thick wall) with 3/4" wood dowel running the length of the pipe and as far into the elbows as possible. This should add a lot of strength and crush resistance. Joints are glued with JB Weld. There are two copper rivets in each joint for added strength. All holes have a dab of silicone as well to seal the pipe. Because of the wood inside, it is advisable to waterproof the joints. A particular challenge was drilling the mounting holes to match the angle of the holes for those bungee hooks. Those holes are also filled with silicone at the final mounting.		Details: 3/4" copper pipe (type L, thick wall) with 3/4" wood dowel running the length of the pipe and as far into the elbows as possible. This should add a lot of strength and crush resistance. Joints are glued with JB Weld. There are two copper rivets in each joint for added strength. All holes have a dab of silicone as well to seal the pipe. Because of the wood inside, it is advisable to waterproof the joints. A particular challenge was drilling the mounting holes to match the angle of the holes for those bungee hooks. Those holes are also filled with silicone at the final mounting.
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	[[Image:tz_givi01.jpg]]		[[Image:tz_givi01.jpg\|300px]] [[Image:tz_givi02.jpg\|300px]]

	[[Image:tz_givi02.jpg]]

	This setup uses passenger footpegs and the grab bar as rack mount points.		This setup uses passenger footpegs and the grab bar as rack mount points.

TZ at 20:26, 25 July 2006

2006-07-25T20:26:22Z

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	'''Example 1:''' Ventura/Jeb Rack + JC Whitney/Givi topcase.		'''Example 1:''' Ventura/Jeb Rack + JC Whitney/Givi topcase.


	You can acquire a ready-made Ventura or JebRack and install a [http://www.jcwhitney.com/autoparts/Browse/tf-Browse/s-10101/N-111+10211+600014603/c-10111 JC Whitney] or a [http://www.giviusa.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=products&id=126&cat=monokeycases&catid=24&prodid=maxiae50 Givi] trunk. This system is very simple to install and there is no need to make your own parts. Picture taken from [http://www.ninja250.org/Troy Troy's profile].		You can acquire a ready-made Ventura or JebRack and install a [http://www.jcwhitney.com/autoparts/Browse/tf-Browse/s-10101/N-111+10211+600014603/c-10111 JC Whitney] or a [http://www.giviusa.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=products&id=126&cat=monokeycases&catid=24&prodid=maxiae50 Givi] trunk. This system is very simple to install and there is no need to make your own parts. Picture taken from [http://www.ninja250.org/Troy Troy's profile].

	[[Image:troy_givi01.jpg]]		[[Image:troy_givi01.jpg]]

TZ at 20:25, 25 July 2006

2006-07-25T20:25:52Z

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	Unfortunately, there are very few EX250-specific hard luggage options available. Most of them require making your own parts. Below are few examples of homebrew hard luggage systems.		Unfortunately, there are very few EX250-specific hard luggage options available. Most of them require making your own parts. Below are few examples of homebrew hard luggage systems.


	'''Example 1:''' Ventura/Jeb Rack + JC Whitney/Givi topcase.		'''Example 1:''' Ventura/Jeb Rack + JC Whitney/Givi topcase.


	You can acquire a ready-made Ventura or JebRack and install a [http://www.jcwhitney.com/autoparts/Browse/tf-Browse/s-10101/N-111+10211+600014603/c-10111 JC Whitney] or a [http://www.giviusa.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=products&id=126&cat=monokeycases&catid=24&prodid=maxiae50 Givi] trunk. This system is very simple to install and there is no need to make your own parts. Picture taken from [http://www.ninja250.org/Troy Troy's profile].		You can acquire a ready-made Ventura or JebRack and install a [http://www.jcwhitney.com/autoparts/Browse/tf-Browse/s-10101/N-111+10211+600014603/c-10111 JC Whitney] or a [http://www.giviusa.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=products&id=126&cat=monokeycases&catid=24&prodid=maxiae50 Givi] trunk. This system is very simple to install and there is no need to make your own parts. Picture taken from [http://www.ninja250.org/Troy Troy's profile].

	[[Image:troy_givi01.jpg]]		[[Image:troy_givi01.jpg]]



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	[[Image:emdsd_givi01.jpg]]		[[Image:emdsd_givi01.jpg]]



	'''Example 3:''' Two Givi Hard sidecases permanently mounted to the bike. Courtesy of [[http://www.ninja250.org/quixotic quixotic]]		'''Example 3:''' Two Givi Hard sidecases permanently mounted to the bike. Courtesy of [[http://www.ninja250.org/quixotic quixotic]]


	[[Image:quixotic_givi01.jpg]]		[[Image:quixotic_givi01.jpg]]

	Quixotic manufactured a rectangular sub-frame out of aluminum square stock, and bolted the boxes to it. Detailed instructions can be found [http://www3.telus.net/awareness/saddlebag.htm here].		Quixotic manufactured a rectangular sub-frame out of aluminum square stock, and bolted the boxes to it. Detailed instructions can be found [http://www3.telus.net/awareness/saddlebag.htm here].



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	Details: 3/4" copper pipe (type L, thick wall) with 3/4" wood dowel running the length of the pipe and as far into the elbows as possible. This should add a lot of strength and crush resistance. Joints are glued with JB Weld. There are two copper rivets in each joint for added strength. All holes have a dab of silicone as well to seal the pipe. Because of the wood inside, it is advisable to waterproof the joints. A particular challenge was drilling the mounting holes to match the angle of the holes for those bungee hooks. Those holes are also filled with silicone at the final mounting.		Details: 3/4" copper pipe (type L, thick wall) with 3/4" wood dowel running the length of the pipe and as far into the elbows as possible. This should add a lot of strength and crush resistance. Joints are glued with JB Weld. There are two copper rivets in each joint for added strength. All holes have a dab of silicone as well to seal the pipe. Because of the wood inside, it is advisable to waterproof the joints. A particular challenge was drilling the mounting holes to match the angle of the holes for those bungee hooks. Those holes are also filled with silicone at the final mounting.
	The rack sits high enough to be able to lift the seat, slide it back and then lift the front and remove. The boxes are mounted just far enough forward and do not interfere with the turn signals.		The rack sits high enough to be able to lift the seat, slide it back and then lift the front and remove. The boxes are mounted just far enough forward and do not interfere with the turn signals.



	'''Example 5:''' Another homemade rack + three Givi Hard cases		'''Example 5:''' Another homemade rack + three Givi Hard cases


	[[Image:tz_givi01.jpg]]		[[Image:tz_givi01.jpg]]

TZ at 20:23, 25 July 2006

2006-07-25T20:23:29Z

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	'''Example 3:''' Homemade rack + three Givi Hard cases		'''Example 3:''' Two Givi Hard sidecases permanently mounted to the bike. Courtesy of [[http://www.ninja250.org/quixotic quixotic]]

			[[Image:quixotic_givi01.jpg]]

			Quixotic manufactured a rectangular sub-frame out of aluminum square stock, and bolted the boxes to it. Detailed instructions can be found [http://www3.telus.net/awareness/saddlebag.htm here].


			'''Example 4:''' Homemade rack + three Givi Hard cases

	This setup features a DIY rack. Courtesy of viajero (no profile yet)		This setup features a DIY rack. Courtesy of viajero (no profile yet)
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	'''Example 4:''' Another homemade rack + three Givi Hard cases		'''Example 5:''' Another homemade rack + three Givi Hard cases

	[[Image:tz_givi01.jpg]]		[[Image:tz_givi01.jpg]]

TZ at 20:12, 25 July 2006

2006-07-25T20:12:20Z

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[[Category:Luggage & Touring]]

Unfortunately, there are very few EX250-specific hard luggage options available. Most of them require making your own parts. Below are few examples of homebrew hard luggage systems.

'''Example 1:''' Ventura/Jeb Rack + JC Whitney/Givi topcase.

You can acquire a ready-made Ventura or JebRack and install a [http://www.jcwhitney.com/autoparts/Browse/tf-Browse/s-10101/N-111+10211+600014603/c-10111 JC Whitney] or a [http://www.giviusa.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=products&id=126&cat=monokeycases&catid=24&prodid=maxiae50 Givi] trunk. This system is very simple to install and there is no need to make your own parts. Picture taken from [http://www.ninja250.org/Troy Troy's profile].

[[Image:troy_givi01.jpg]]

'''Example 2:''' passenger seat self-made hard case [http://www.theyeagergroup.com/Tail_Trunk_Saddle_Project.htm system]. Courtesy of [http://www.ninja250.org/emdsd emdsd].

[[Image:emdsd_givi01.jpg]]

'''Example 3:''' Homemade rack + three Givi Hard cases

This setup features a DIY rack. Courtesy of viajero (no profile yet)

[[Image:viajero_givi01.jpg]]

[[Image:viajero_givi02.jpg]]

Details: 3/4" copper pipe (type L, thick wall) with 3/4" wood dowel running the length of the pipe and as far into the elbows as possible. This should add a lot of strength and crush resistance. Joints are glued with JB Weld. There are two copper rivets in each joint for added strength. All holes have a dab of silicone as well to seal the pipe. Because of the wood inside, it is advisable to waterproof the joints. A particular challenge was drilling the mounting holes to match the angle of the holes for those bungee hooks. Those holes are also filled with silicone at the final mounting.
The rack sits high enough to be able to lift the seat, slide it back and then lift the front and remove. The boxes are mounted just far enough forward and do not interfere with the turn signals.

'''Example 4:''' Another homemade rack + three Givi Hard cases

[[Image:tz_givi01.jpg]]

[[Image:tz_givi02.jpg]]

This setup uses passenger footpegs and the grab bar as rack mount points.

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	[[Category:Luggage & Touring]]		[[Category:Luggage & Touring]]

	Unfortunately, there are very few EX250-specific hard luggage options available. Most of them require making your own parts. Below are few examples of homebrew hard luggage systems.		Unfortunately, there are very few EX250-specific hard luggage options available. Most of them require making your own parts. Below are a few examples of homebrew hard luggage systems.

			'''Example 1:''' Ventura Rack + JC Whitney/Givi topcase.

	~~'''Example 1:''' Ventura/Jeb Rack + JC Whitney/Givi topcase.~~		You can acquire a ready-made [[Ventura rack\|Ventura rack]] and install a [http://www.jcwhitney.com/autoparts/Browse/tf-Browse/s-10101/N-111+10211+600014603/c-10111 JC Whitney] or [http://www.giviusa.com/caschi_borse_bauli_accessori.asp?lang=en Givi trunk]. This system is very simple to install, and there is no need to make your own parts. Picture taken from [http://www.ninja250.org/Troy Troy's profile].

	You can acquire a ready-made Ventura ~~or JebRack~~ and install a [http://www.jcwhitney.com/autoparts/Browse/tf-Browse/s-10101/N-111+10211+600014603/c-10111 JC Whitney] or a [http://www.giviusa.com/caschi_borse_bauli_accessori.asp?lang=en Givi trunk]. This system is very simple to install and there is no need to make your own parts. Picture taken from [http://www.ninja250.org/Troy Troy's profile].

	[[Image:troy_givi01.jpg\|300px]]		[[Image:troy_givi01.jpg\|300px]]

	'''Example 2:''' ~~passenger~~ seat self-made hard case [http://www.theyeagergroup.com/Tail_Trunk_Saddle_Project.htm system]. Courtesy of [http://www.ninja250.org/emdsd emdsd].		'''Example 2:''' Passenger seat self-made hard case [http://www.theyeagergroup.com/Tail_Trunk_Saddle_Project.htm system]. Courtesy of [http://www.ninja250.org/emdsd emdsd].

	[[Image:emdsd_givi01.jpg\|300px]]		[[Image:emdsd_givi01.jpg\|300px]]
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	[[Image:quixotic_givi01.jpg\|300px]]		[[Image:quixotic_givi01.jpg\|300px]]

	Quixotic manufactured a rectangular sub-frame out of aluminum square stock, and bolted the boxes to it. Detailed instructions can be found [http://www3.telus.net/awareness/saddlebag.htm here].		Quixotic manufactured a rectangular sub-frame out of aluminum square stock and bolted the boxes to it. Detailed instructions can be found [http://www3.telus.net/awareness/saddlebag.htm here].

	'''Example 4:''' Homemade rack + three Givi Hard cases		'''Example 4:''' Homemade rack + three Givi Hard cases

	This setup features a DIY rack. Courtesy of viajero (no profile ~~yet~~)		This setup features a DIY rack. Courtesy of viajero (no profile)

	[[Image:viajero_givi01.jpg\|300px]] [[Image:viajero_givi02.jpg\|300px]]		[[Image:viajero_givi01.jpg\|300px]] [[Image:viajero_givi02.jpg\|300px]]

	Details: 3/4" copper pipe (type L, thick wall) with 3/4" wood dowel running the length of the pipe and as far into the elbows as possible. This should add a lot of strength and crush resistance. Joints are glued with JB Weld. There are two copper rivets in each joint for added strength. All holes have a dab of silicone as well to seal the pipe. Because of the wood inside, it is advisable to waterproof the joints. A particular challenge was drilling the mounting holes to match the angle of the holes for those bungee hooks. Those holes are also filled with silicone at the final mounting.		Details: 3/4" copper pipe (type L, thick wall) with 3/4" wood dowel running the length of the pipe and as far into the elbows as possible. This should add a lot of strength and crush resistance. Joints are glued with JB Weld. There are two copper rivets in each joint for added strength. All holes have a dab of silicone as well to seal the pipe. Because of the wood inside, it is advisable to waterproof the joints. A particular challenge was drilling the mounting holes to match the angle of the holes for those bungee hooks. Those holes are also filled with silicone at the final mounting.

	The rack sits high enough to be able to lift the seat, slide it back and then lift the front and remove. The boxes are mounted just far enough forward and do not interfere with the turn signals.		The rack sits high enough to be able to lift the seat, slide it back and then lift the front and remove. The boxes are mounted just far enough forward and do not interfere with the turn signals.

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	'''Example 1:''' Ventura/Jeb Rack + JC Whitney/Givi topcase.		'''Example 1:''' Ventura/Jeb Rack + JC Whitney/Givi topcase.

	You can acquire a ready-made Ventura or JebRack and install a [http://www.jcwhitney.com/autoparts/Browse/tf-Browse/s-10101/N-111+10211+600014603/c-10111 JC Whitney] or a [http://www.giviusa.com/~~index~~.~~cfm~~?~~fuseaction~~=~~products&id=126&cat=monokeycases&catid=24&prodid=maxiae50~~ Givi] ~~trunk~~. This system is very simple to install and there is no need to make your own parts. Picture taken from [http://www.ninja250.org/Troy Troy's profile].		You can acquire a ready-made Ventura or JebRack and install a [http://www.jcwhitney.com/autoparts/Browse/tf-Browse/s-10101/N-111+10211+600014603/c-10111 JC Whitney] or a [http://www.giviusa.com/caschi_borse_bauli_accessori.asp?lang=en Givi trunk]. This system is very simple to install and there is no need to make your own parts. Picture taken from [http://www.ninja250.org/Troy Troy's profile].

	[[Image:troy_givi01.jpg\|300px]]		[[Image:troy_givi01.jpg\|300px]]




	'''Example 2:''' passenger seat self-made hard case [http://www.theyeagergroup.com/Tail_Trunk_Saddle_Project.htm system]. Courtesy of [http://www.ninja250.org/emdsd emdsd].		'''Example 2:''' passenger seat self-made hard case [http://www.theyeagergroup.com/Tail_Trunk_Saddle_Project.htm system]. Courtesy of [http://www.ninja250.org/emdsd emdsd].
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	[[Image:emdsd_givi01.jpg\|300px]]		[[Image:emdsd_givi01.jpg\|300px]]

			'''Example 3:''' Two Givi Hard sidecases permanently mounted to the bike. Courtesy of [http://www.ninja250.org/quixotic quixotic]

	'''Example 3:''' Two Givi Hard sidecases permanently mounted to the bike. Courtesy of [[http://www.ninja250.org/quixotic quixotic]]


	[[Image:quixotic_givi01.jpg\|300px]]		[[Image:quixotic_givi01.jpg\|300px]]

	Quixotic manufactured a rectangular sub-frame out of aluminum square stock, and bolted the boxes to it. Detailed instructions can be found [http://www3.telus.net/awareness/saddlebag.htm here].		Quixotic manufactured a rectangular sub-frame out of aluminum square stock, and bolted the boxes to it. Detailed instructions can be found [http://www3.telus.net/awareness/saddlebag.htm here].



	'''Example 4:''' Homemade rack + three Givi Hard cases		'''Example 4:''' Homemade rack + three Givi Hard cases
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	Details: 3/4" copper pipe (type L, thick wall) with 3/4" wood dowel running the length of the pipe and as far into the elbows as possible. This should add a lot of strength and crush resistance. Joints are glued with JB Weld. There are two copper rivets in each joint for added strength. All holes have a dab of silicone as well to seal the pipe. Because of the wood inside, it is advisable to waterproof the joints. A particular challenge was drilling the mounting holes to match the angle of the holes for those bungee hooks. Those holes are also filled with silicone at the final mounting.		Details: 3/4" copper pipe (type L, thick wall) with 3/4" wood dowel running the length of the pipe and as far into the elbows as possible. This should add a lot of strength and crush resistance. Joints are glued with JB Weld. There are two copper rivets in each joint for added strength. All holes have a dab of silicone as well to seal the pipe. Because of the wood inside, it is advisable to waterproof the joints. A particular challenge was drilling the mounting holes to match the angle of the holes for those bungee hooks. Those holes are also filled with silicone at the final mounting.
	The rack sits high enough to be able to lift the seat, slide it back and then lift the front and remove. The boxes are mounted just far enough forward and do not interfere with the turn signals.		The rack sits high enough to be able to lift the seat, slide it back and then lift the front and remove. The boxes are mounted just far enough forward and do not interfere with the turn signals.



	'''Example 5:''' Another homemade rack + three Givi Hard cases		'''Example 5:''' Another homemade rack + three Givi Hard cases


	[[Image:tz_givi01.jpg\|300px]] [[Image:tz_givi02.jpg\|300px]]		[[Image:tz_givi01.jpg\|300px]] [[Image:tz_givi02.jpg\|300px]]

	This setup uses passenger footpegs and the grab bar as rack mount points.		This setup uses passenger footpegs and the grab bar as rack mount points.